It has been a long time since my previous blog post, but I thought it was time to give a bit more tech savvy update for a change. I want to open up a bit more in details how things go and the reasoning behind those actions. So, without further a due, let’s proceed.
We are pleased to announce the new 3.0.3 update, which is named after Hossa National Park. Hossa National Park is located in North-East Finland in the region of Kainuu. The park is home to Värikallio, an area that has some of the most important rock paintings in Finland. The paintings tell the story of the Stone Age men that used to be located in the area, and used the water routes next to the stone wall.
The update
Hossa release is primarily a technical software release that brings many under the hood upgrades, such as the long-awaited updates for C-library (glibc), compiler toolchain (gcc), browser engine, as well as the integrated Near Field Communication (NFC) framework. Also included are a number of security vulnerability fixes, stability improvements, and better compatibility in different areas.
Maintaining an operating system is a huge effort and there are lots of things that are not visible to the naked eye. To keep the maintenance burden under control, so that we will not deviate from the upstream and do not need to start maintaining our own version of the components, at times one needs to take a step back and look at the whole picture. With the 3.0.3 upgrade, we took such a step and concentrated a bit more on the not-so-visible items. At the same time we worked on bigger items for the upcoming updates, such as file system encryption, which some of you noted being referenced in the 3.0.3 update already 🙂
This time we decided to make some improvements that our community has been asking for a while, including glibc , gcc and browser engine. These couple of components have not got much attention in a while and needed it quite a bit.
Updating glibc
Our glibc has been for some time now in the eglibc version 2.19, which was already merged a while ago back to the upstream glibc. When a component is this far behind the upstream, it is quite common that going directly to the latest and greatest version is not possible, and one needs to first look on the dependencies to be able to know this information. In addition to reducing the maintenance burden, the new glibc also brings us security improvements, as well as support for new features, such as a new version of Unicode. After checking some of the dependencies on the glibc side, we noted that the first feasible step would be to move to glibc version 2.25 version with security patches on top of it. Reasoning for this was that glibc 2.26 required at least gcc 4.9, which was not there at the time we started the glibc update. Also, glibc 2.28 requires make version 4.0 or newer, which we did not have yet either. Thus, the 2.25 was selected as the first step to ensure that we did not make too many changes at the same time in one release.
It should be noted though that since the branching of the 3.0.3 release we have worked more on glibc and as some of you might have already noted, we have version 2.28 in our repositories, which is coming in the next release. You can follow the progress at glibc repository. To get to such new version we had to touch on tens of different packages including e.g., m4, bison, automake, gzip, groff, iproute, libdrm, mkdevnodes, procps, qemu-usermode, qemu-usermode-static, squashfs-tools, systemd, and many others. This should give you a better picture as to why this change is not only about updating this particular component, but also about ensuring that all other components building on top of it builds properly.
Updating gcc
The second big update that we worked on was gcc, which is also lagging a bit behind in the latest releases. Because of this, and the fact that we have not been updating gcc in a while, we decided to split the update to smaller parts similar to the glibc. In gcc’s case we decided to take the first step by updating it to the latest version of the 4.x branch, i.e. 4.9.4. This gave us a bit more solid base for the platform and also more visibility of how the gcc upgrades go. Going from 4.8 to 4.9 also brought us improved C++14 support. Similarly to the glibc update, this a lot of components, such as, sb2-tools, buteo-mtp-qt5, maliit, lipstick-jolla-home-qt5, gdb and so on. After this we are planning on the next step of the gcc upgrade, which hopefully will still land for the latter part of the ongoing year.
Browser engine
The last big item that improves usability is the browser engine upgrade, i.e., Gecko, which is used to render web content to the user’s display. This time the update was up to the Extended Support Release version 45 (ESR45), which we know isn’t the latest version but was the next step in the upgrade path that was relatively easy to take. By updating Gecko, the browser functionality within websites has been improved, and it is able to show the web pages more accurately. However, there are some features that we didn’t finish in time like double tap to zoom. The browser’s default user agent string was updated at the same time. If you are interested in contributing and fixing user-agent based errors you can find more information here. Like with the glibc and gcc, this browser engine update is just the first step, and the target is to take the next step in the browser engine soon.
“The update target usually is the latest version, but at times one needs to take intermediate steps so that the delta for one upgrade does not get out of hand and that one can integrate and release things earlier.”
In addition to the items above there were a few other items, e.g. updating of icu to version 63.1, which has been also pending for a while as it has had dependencies to the lower level even on package management level i.e. rpm. In this case, the dependency chain was libicu > sqlite > nss > rpm, which meant that in the worst case while doing the icu upgrade the rpm, which had dependencies to it, could stop working (similar to the problems with sqlite and nss also in the past). After looking into this particular issue, we noted that we can drop the libicu from the rpm chain, by changing rpm to use openssl instead of nss by default. In addition to libicu this also made it possible to more easily handle updates to sqlite and nss as both of those also dropped out from the rpm’s dependency chains. Similar change was done to p11-kit to use openssl instead of nss .
As explained earlier, when touching some lower level components like glibc and gcc, many other packages might fail to build because of changes in libraries, headers, paths, etc. These of course needs fixing before the release can be pushed out. The simplest thing quite often would be to patch the component with the needed fix. However, as we have limited resources and we do not want to pile up the maintenance burden, we rather try to update a component to newer version instead of just fixing the issue with a simple patch. Surely there are always considerations needed as updating a component always brings in bigger change and risk. This is why applying the patch is preferable when we are further in the releasing process. As pointed out earlier, the update target usually is the latest version, but at times one needs to take intermediate steps so that the delta for one upgrade does not get out of hand, and that one can integrate and release things earlier.
While some of the team worked on the bigger items like these glibc and gcc updates, there were also many others who touched on different parts of Sailfish OS. Thus, we also managed to include quite a notable set of component upgrades including, but not limited to: updating of iptables to version 1.8.2, pcre to version 8.42, pulseaudio to version 12.2, shared-mime-info to version 1.12, util-linux to version 2.33.1, valgrind to version 3.14, and zlib to version 1.2.11. The aim is to have a few package updates always in each release, to keep up with the upstream.
On top of all of the above, we also worked on reducing the image size by moving extra documentations to separate packages and unifying the packaging conventions. Also, work was done to exclude some tools/libraries to separate packages, which are not needed without developer mode to reduce the size of the updates. Also, tools depending on ncurses were moved to sub packages if possible, which allowed dropping ncurses from the image. Some of such tools to mention are sqlite and connmanctl, which no longer are part of the default image. However, all the tools will still remain in the repositories so that all of you who want to tinker with the cmdline have the tools still available. We also dropped e.g. kbd from the image by default to save some more space, and build e.g. our browser engine with system icu enabling also significantly shorter build time. These and other fixes saved around 15M in the Sailfish OS core.
Surely some fixes on the user interface level also got in touching different parts like email, keyboard, messages etc. You can read more about those from the release notes and detailed change log.
Oh, and one more thing…
We did not forget Sailfish X and the XA2 device, to which we brought some very welcome fixes, such as fixing the sensor behaviour when doing phone calls. We also improved the high power drain in the wlan usecase. Also, one new addition to our Sailfish OS core offering was Near Field Communication (NFC) support, which is in its first version with URL tags available with 3.0.3 hossa. For anyone wanting to give it a bit deeper look you can check the source codes of our NFC daemon and the plugin for the XA2.
Additional items to XA2 were related to improvements for the Android 8.1 App Support, including:
- Mobile data works now with both SIM cards for Android apps on XA2 devices
- Recently added files to the Sailfish side appear now on the Android side immediately
- System UI notifications from the Android side are now hidden (Sailfish OS to handle)
- Notification handling is now improved, new notifications will not receive grouped notifications
- SSH file transfer no longer crashes Android App Support
Surely there are still places to improve and we are already preparing for the next set of fixes for the Android App Support, which will include at least improvements with notifications to not show that many duplicates, fix for display blank prevention so that your display stays on while you navigate or watch videos via Android apps, and initial support for clipboard between Sailfish OS and Android apps.
Br,
Sage
Ps. Let us know what you think of this more technical blog post and if we should start going into more details like this also in the future.
Thanks for the Update, working fine on my XA2. Especially battery live is a lot better now with the WLAN power drain issue fixed (I get about 2 full days of my normal use now, before 3.0.3 it was empty at the end of the day).
I for my part do like the more technical details and “behind the scenes” reasons shared in the post, as it helps to better understand why certain things are done in the way they are done, and would like to see more details like this in the future.
Love this blog post!
Just the right information when the update has more technical nature and less UI changes.
And I noticed this blog is now hosted on wordpress, also something new if I am correct.
Fantastic blog post and a very interesting read. It’s a pleasure to learn about those technical details and the decisions your developers have to take. I’d certainly also like to see more such posts in the future. Thank you Jolla and Sage.
What I like about this extensive blog post is that it gives us community an insight into _why_ certain decisions were made the way they have been. So far Jolla used to communicate very little about what to expect, priorities and compromises made for maintaining Sailfish.
I understand that you have to strike a balance between revealing too much of internal strategy and projects, while keeping the community informed well enough. But this really is a step into the right direction.
Thanks Sage!
Great blog post, thanks for all the details!
Please keep this blog post format for every new release. I understand that not everyone is tech savvy enough to understand everything mentioned but at the same time, it gives so much visibility on the processes and technical difficulties you have when developing Sailfish. And visibility is one of the things the community has been critical about Jolla a lot in the past. Personally, it brought back memories of the dependency hell I had to fix a few years ago when I was maintaining a server running Gentoo. Thanks for another great update and keep it up.
+1 for detailed technical posts
However I can’t find the exact changes from 3.0.3.8 to 3.0.3.9 🙂
> Ps. Let us know what you think of this more technical blog post and if we should start going into more details like this also in the future.
It’s what I expect at blog.jolla.com.
+1 for detailed technical posts
However I can’t find the change log from 3.0.3.8 to 3.0.3.9? 🙂
Here:
https://together.jolla.com/question/203846/changelog-303-hossa/?answer=205555#post-id-205555
Good idea to give a glimpse of technical side of things for a change!
Seems like a good update and I think I’m jumping back on board Sailfish ship!
Oh… Apparently I’m not jumping on board at the moment…
I found this message from Jolla Shop’s downloads section:
“NOTE: Sailfish X images for Xperia XA2 models are temporarily unavailable due to compatibility issues with Android 9 update.”
Any rough estimates when this might be cleared out?
Well… that was FAST! Now the image was there to download for XA2 too. 😀
I know you all will hate me for this. SCNR, but -> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smh834dsYu8 =:o)
A good read! Thanks!
@Venty: That’s what came to my mind too.
I do appreciate the more thorough blog post. I’d als like to remind James or whoever of the orphaned diaspora account.
I’d also appreciate if changes made for the XA2 were coming to the X as well.
sail on
Agreed. I bought an X instead of a newer one *specifically* because the first release was only for X, and now it doesn’t get e.g. Android upgrades.I can’t afford buying a new phone, so I’m in a worse situation wrt. updates, than I would have been, if I had stayed with Android.
So I’m actually slightly pissed…
I’m exactly in the same boat. Still using Jolla 1 phone and have an Xperia X sitting here on my desk. Haven’t got around to unlock, flash and migrate all my data yet. But now I start getting “[App] requires Android SDK version 21, installed version is 16. Cannot install [app].” errors with apps that are essential for me. So I can’t put off the update any longer.
But realizing that upgrading to the latest Sailfish on this new phone will not solve the problem is VERY disappointing. I think my Sailfish adventure ends here.
Yep, I stopped using Sailfish when this became clear a few months ago.
I also bought an Xperia X immediately when Sailfish X came out, and will be pissed if this device won’t support newer Android API versions.
Many banking and such apps are starting to require newer API versions these days, and Xperia X is very solid hardware which will last a long time.
Also, there’s this thing called money.
Nice to read about this New Update on the jolla blog, improved a lot , keep it on !
Thank you for the update. In Hossa several search engines (openrepos) work again. That is really nice.
Still I am hesitating about buying an XA2 plus new Sailfish. This is why:
a) the sim/memory card reader of my XperiaX does not work anymore,
Caldav/Carddav do not work, (it does work on my ipad, this could be the reason,
b) linking from email, Piepmatz, Guardian app etc. to browser does not work,
c) I am not able to flash myself.
So I am stuck. I miss Sailfish, would like to use it again as a phone, but how can I get a working device?
I definitely like this technical style as well.
Also it is quite likely there is a significant amount of technical users – even just due to the CLI-nature of Sailfish X installation, not to mention the ex-Maemo/ex-MeeGo user and developer family, that will certainly find technical articles interesting as well.
And other than finding such articles interesting, this can really help application developers and possible future Sailfish OS contributors better synchronize their efforts, as newer libraries and information about their availability might make porting of other software or new application dependencies possible, that were previously blocked by outdated system libraries.
Thank You, the update looks very nice, but my Intex Aqua Fish is still running 2.1.4.14 and doesn’t show any updates available. Is there way how to update Intex Aqua Fish to this version?
I used the method described here: https://together.jolla.com/question/148893/how-to-make-aqua-fish-to-think-its-jolla-c-not-modem/
1. Factory reset. 2. Disable automatic update check in settings. 3. Login to Jolla account, enable developer mode, run the script. 4. Restart and check for updates. 5. Enjoy.
Wonderful blog post!
One feels reassured not to use an Android phone nor an Apple phone. You provide ‘adventures’ that ‘they’ never will be able to match (most likely;)
Excellent blog post! This honest attitude on a technical level is one of the unique selling points of Sailfish OS. Keep up the good work! 🙂
I also love this blog post. Transparency builds trust, and this is an important point for most of the sailors. Furthermore, it helps understanding decisions that are made and why we can’t get everything right now 🙂 Thanks a lot for all the insights and of course for this great update as well!
“Let us know what you think of this more technical blog post and if we should start going into more details like this also in the future.”
Great blog post, and hell yeah!
Good work on finally starting to upgrade those ancient packages and solving those CVEs.
Very good blog post. Does any of that make Android upgrade also to Xperia X any closer ?
Excellent blog post, and yes, please continue to provide postings like this in the future.
I would say that other types of blog post are equally welcome – such as talking about the business, the wider community, what Jolla thinks of FLOSS, Open Hardware, privacy, and security and other items regarded as an essential part of current company philosophy.
I hope that one day we will be able to talk about the Jolla/Sailfish ecosystem in the same way as people talk about Apple/iOS, and Google/Android (or maybe Fuchsia).
Yes, that is what I too hoped about five years ago and I have not lost hope entirely. Yet, in those years it became impossible for non tech savvy people to get a phone with Sailfish. James helped me with the XperiaX, but this was once. There is no such thing as a flashing service. I can imagine that techs and geeks are enthousiast about technical info, but for ordinary end users who struggle with bugs and not well functioning devices this is not so interesting. To my regret I had to buy an old type iphone. I miss Sailfish, because it is much nicer than ios. So please, think of end users too.
Excellent relese, really happy with my brand new XA2 Plus.
Please focus on porting QtWebengine on Sailfish, it will open the way for making simple Progressive Web App.
Thanks!
Brilliant blog post with a good amount of information that puts many things into perspective 🙂
Thank you for a great update of my Sony Xperia X, and an excellent blog post! It reminds me of the complex web of dependencies and puts things into perspective. I’d love more of this kind of blog posts in the future – a very interesting peek into your work!
One question – why does jolla use such an old gcc release (toolchain issue?)?
At the moment I’m using gcc 8.3.1 on my linux machine ..gcc 9 is around the corner.
gcc 7 gave a huge speedup on x86_64 code. Not sure if we can extrapolate this to arm arch. more effiecent code als means less instructions to waste …so not only faster also less power consuming.
And a newer glibc version is pushing performance aswell.
So is there any reason sticking to 4.9 ?
p.s.: such more in-depth blog posts are really nice please continue.
p.p.s.: c++17 has also some nice features so jumping to a newer gcc will really improve a lot.
We started with 4.x and it has been very stable for our use, so there has not been huge push forward so far. Recently there has been more requests for newer toolchain from developers and also some upstream packages are moving to requiring newer toolchains. Thus, it is starting to be more timely to look also to this direction.
As said in the blog post there is plan to go further, this was just a first step for us to get forward and check what does it take to update the toolchain, which we had not done in a while. One needs to remember that it is not just about updating the gcc package itself, but also ensuring that cross compilation tools work, all other packages in the whole OS build, as well as ensuring that our SDK functions properly.
Stay tuned for more updates. 🙂
Congratulations for all the work you have done and are doing with Sailfish since the beginning. I’m a big fan of yours but there are a few issues that are bothering me. First is that i can’t make a video call (tried many apps) with Sailfish. Second is that Android support is very old and most of new apps don’t work. Only because of theses things i can’t use my Xperia X as a daily driver. Thanks
At least you can make ordinary calls. I even can’t call with my XperiaX. Complained many times here, also about the impossibility of linking to browser, which is very annoying, but no answer, no solution.
As far as I know, Xperia X isn’t gonna get any big Android support updates, because of its CPU. But not even being able to make a phone call – what is it regarding to? Any idea? Did you try factory or even flash the phone over the cable?
I think it is the wrong place here asking for a solution. You have to open a ticket in Jolla-Support. Your phone trouble sounds like a hardware issue.
By the way unlocking the bootloader and flashing an AX2 is much more easier than doing it on an Xperia X.
In addition the Android support version of Xperia X will obviously stick at 4, for the XA2 it is Android 8.
Good luck
Thank you for your reaction. It is both, hardware and software. The hardware problem cannot be solved. For the bug concerning the impossibility to link I got a ticket before but this did not help. I hope you understand that I now have some doubts about the quality of the hardware of Sony, so I am not (yet) buying an XA2. Concerning the OS: I wait until it is more mature.. In the meantime I charge my XperiaX and use it at home.
Hi Kea,
the functionality of the XA2 is none the less not 100%. There is still some work to be done e.g. video support on androidapps (whatsapp), fingerprintsensor…, somtimes the phone stucks or the Android support stops working. The common user needs some patience. So take your time to get an XA2 if you expect a 99,9% working device.
When you follow the steps of the instruction for flashing an XA2 given by Jolla it is even if you are a normal user no problem. The potential of the XA2 seems to be much higher compared to the Xperia X. It is really exciting how the OS is getting more stable and what problems are solved after every single update. This is the thrill of a sailfish user.
Using one of the popular OS would be boring and you are aware that you are followed by a big machinery collecting all of you ;-).
Thanks! I have used Jolla/ XperiaX as a daily driver for 5 years. Only recently I had to buy that old model iphone because of all the trouble with the XperiaX. IOS is boring. I miss Sailfish. Will wait.
I don’t use Whatsapp, nor Facebook, but Telegram instead. Wire is a nice, but that one didn’t work well on Sailfish.
I wished that Jolla hired a good camera software developer, for now the colours on the OS are not natural. Reds are too crimson, blue is to dominant. This also withhelds me from spending another E350. But often I think: Jolla has come so far, why not going on!
Why “obviously”? The Xperia X itself can run even Android 9 just fine, if installed directly. Why not via Sailfish?
such blogs are very welcome from my side, kiitos! 😉
This.
As a tech-savvy person who likes to tinker and do things on the shell I really enjoyed reading this great post by sage. It shows parts of the long term vision Jolla has for SailfishOS: Full blown /home device encryption, updated base packages for e.g. newer browser engine, toolchain updates and NFC support. A light at the end of the tunnel making the OS ready for lift-off.
While browsing the git.sailfishos.org commits and comments every now and then reading sages post made a lot of things clear to me.
So many thanks for this clarification and please keep on posting technical stuff to the technical follower.
Any word on specific Android apps that might have been fixed in this update? For example, Signal, Slack, Jira, Confluence, Spotify?
I’m not using other than Spotify from that list. I recommend checking this thread in together, where users are reporting the status of apps they have tried:
https://together.jolla.com/question/198517/wiki-state-of-sailfish-x-sensors-apps-and-androidtm-support-on-sony-xa2-variants/
Contributing to the list is also welcome as it helps us to identify better where the potential problems are.
Yes!We really need more posts like this one im the future! Also got to say that my XA2 Plus now hooks to my car stereo and Bose headphones automaticaly, no need to open settings anymore! I normaly also got like 20% when my workday is over, now it’s over 75% allways! Awesome jump! Thank you guys and all people involved for providing me such a great OS 🙂
Massive thanks for this update, it’s restored my faith in the project, after slowly losing interest in the last couple of years. I charged my XA2 and on wednesday at 9am it read 100%, now on friday at near midday it’s still on 46%, after losing 35% overnight prior to the update. Massive difference, well done dev’s, you deserve a beer or two from the big cheeses at Jolla HQ !
Wow, this is perhaps the best blog post on the Sailfish operating system I’ve seen. Please keep posting entries like this, it really gives a lot of insight into your decision making processes.
A good post; many thanks.
However, I’m a Gemini PDA user. My Gemini says that version 3.0.1.13 (which it’s running quite happily) is the most recent available. How might I get hold of this most recent version?
Great post, thanks for giving all us nerds the details.
Overall a pretty nice update. Especially looking forward to the encrypted /home. But please for the love of god let us set a proper password instead of just a code for locking the phone! I cannot imagine this is that much work and it’s just a huge oversight. Also, please get the fingerprint sensor working on the XA2. That’s probably less easy since it’s driver stuff, but regardless of the app ecosystem, you cannot try to sell people an OS where the base hardware doesn’t even work.
PS: Technical posts are great, especially considering the fact that so far most of the userbase are enthusiasts who actually understand them 🙂
i know i’m late but the post was wonderful, exactly what we want from this blog 🙂
Euuuhm ….. any news …. or did you Guys think I would have given up ?
Jolla you still owe me Money!!!
Me too. Still waiting!
I am sorry bothering you all again, but there is no other place to ask this: if I want to use Sailfish and I buy an XA2 or XA2plus, and I pay for the update, who can help me booting the device and flashing the OS on it? Is it possible to send it and pay for flashing?
With the Xperia I managed to boot with my Mac after a lot of trouble, but flashing was a bit to complicated.
Sailfish still is the best alternative for Google and Apple and it is right that Jolla coöperates with Sony instead of booting and flashing wildly all kinds of hardware.
Sony is going to move its factory from China to Thailand. Hopefully this will have a good impact on the coöperation.
Maybe ask on the website ( together.jolla.com ) where most of the community guys like us are hanging, and check if there’s a Sailfish geek living nearby you who could give you a hand ?
Whatever you’re doing right now, I hope it’s in China.
We have a saying: ‘ it makes no difference, being bitten by the dog or the cat’. Aren’t the US and China like the dog and the cat at the moment? Jolla is a European company and it would be good if Europe had its own tech with its own jurisdiction.
They have, as far as communicated. The Sailfish core is Finnish if you will. The licensing and adaption (like happening with the Russian customers) happens on top in the manner the customer asks for.
I am residing in India. Is the jolla license for XA2 is only an issue with the payment method? Since i couldn’t access the jolla.store, what is the best way to get the software?? Also, when can i expect the finger print sensor to work??
It’s not the payment, it’s the country the system sees you in at the moment of purchase.
As another user who had to fight with similar geo-fencing restriction (the Amazon GeoIp system used by Jolla did detect me on the wrong continent – the system though I was in North America instead of here in Europe):
– try circumventing it with VPN
– or Tor proxy (using the “appear from” functionnality)
– or simply manually proxying from a Euoprean box if you have access to one.
( ^- the last one is the one I used. I proxied through my university workstation)
Once bought from Europe, you can then download and install and use and update your Sailfish from anywere else.
Dear Jolla, would you consider putting other such “report from the treches” news similar to this great post during the lead up to the 3.1 Sailfish update later this summer ?
I would be great to get “glimpses behind the curtain” and see how your devs are working on this future piece of software, and the development of 3.1 is surely going to have other interesting anectode to tell.
I bought the Xperia X because at the time, it was the only half-modern hardware option for a Sailfish upgrade. I’m still using Jolla 1 with the X sitting here on my desk, because I haven’t got around to unlock, flash and migrate all my data yet. But now I start getting “[App] requires Android SDK version 21, installed version is 16. Cannot install [app].” errors with apps that are essential for me. So I can’t put off the update any longer.
But realizing that upgrading to the latest Sailfish on this new phone will not solve the problem is very, VERY disappointing. I think my Sailfish adventure ends here.
My Xperia is broken and I missed Sailfish so I just bought a simple Xperia XA2 and I paid for the os with pleasure. Now fingers crossed that unlocking and flashing goes well. I wished that in the future it would be possible to have Sailfish on a good repairable device that lasts longer and that can be updated. Of course the rat race of developments will sometime somehow end. Hopefully the Trump/Google ban on Huawei will make people realise that a third os and a de-googled app store are needed.
If Jolla are smart then they should be all over Huawei right now, it’s a complete no brainer
Also, still no Roadmap i see!?!?!
“complete no brainer”: Very far from a no brainer. Ever had or tried to establish a cooperation with a chinese company? Tons of resources needed.
“Ever had or tried to establish a cooperation with a chinese company?
a Chinese company that’s just been added to the Entity list by the US Commerce Dept which means that US companies can no longer export any hardware and or software to them?
a Chinese company that wont have access to the Google play store or other Google services?
a Chinese company that’s just been awarded major 5G contracts including in China, UK & Russia?
“Tons of resources needed.”
care to name these “resources”?? ….as something tells me it will be less resource intensive for Jolla to step into the breach than Huawei to kick off their own OS from scratch
If Jolla cant make a dent into the phone OS market now then they are as good as dead in the water, rudderless & adrift.
As I said….a complete no brainer!
Excuses, obviously I am not on your level of experience to discuss this in depth.
The tech companies are all American, except Jolla. The manufacturers are all Chinese (and Japanese and South-Korean). And the most important is and will be a proper appstore and good marketing. Nokia lost because Apple created itunes and made use of the American credit card system. It’s all about money: will a company will be able to attract nice app developers and game creators, will there be a proper paying system? And I am not sure if flying to Huawei, a company controlled by the state, will bring us a nice third option.
Nope.
Nokia lost because Stephen Elop and the whole Microsoft fiasco happened to them.
Luckily, Jolla emerged from the ashes of that (bunring platform) fire, so I won’t complain, some of the Linux-y goodness we love were somewhat salvaged.
DrYak is correct. Stephen Elop killed Nokia. Take a look at this link which shows Nokia smart phone sales and what happened after the “Burning Platform” memo.
https://communities-dominate.blogs.com/.a/6a00e0097e337c8833017c3730d468970b-pi
speaking about demonstrations of the utter incompetence of the combined Elop+Microsoft plague that was inflicted upon Nokia, there is the extremely long and overly detailed but very interesting to read analysis by Tomi Ahonen:
https://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2012/07/the-sun-tzu-of-nokisoftian-microkia-mirror-mirror-on-the-wall-whose-the-baddest-of-them-all-waterloo.html
it’s a good read, and has details about ecosystems, etc.
Thank you for the link. It’s a good story, a lot of military history. He concludes that there is one person, the commander, or the CEO of a business who is the best of times. Businesslike that was not Elop, but Jobs. So it does not contradict what I said.
The surrender to Microsoft was a regretful act, but nobody knows what would have happened if he had not done that.
Do you know the ‘law of inhibiting advantage’, that explained why the British lost WWI ? They thought for a long time that they were the strongest and most advanced, until they suddenly weren’t.
Nokia made many a mistake is fair to say but you can clearly point to some form of sabotage also, too many Elop was an “inside man” working on behalf of Microsoft
look at it like this:
“former” Microsoft exec gets hired by Nokia as first non-Finnish CEO
decides to kill off Meego while it was still in its infancy
makes statements that are “leaked” to press and each time the nokia share prices drops
announces partnership with Microsoft
…later on, once the value of Nokia had dropped a staggering 60%+ and Nokia had shed something like 10k+ jobs Microsoft bought out Nokia and made Elop the Exec VP of its mobile business
Then there was the general stink about the size of the bonus Elop picked up through all this
some horseplay for sure?!
OK, please elaborate and name your source if u go off-topic people.
Otherwise make ur own blog or go to another .com
Hi,
I have just upgraded my Jolla 1 mobile to the latest sailfish
version 3.0.3.10. Now email has stopped working – it was fine before
this upgrade.
Can you fix this soon, please.
Thanks,
M Bartlett
Hi. How can I update the firmware. I have XA2 with 3.0.1.14? New updates the phone does not see…
resolved (wrong account =)
Roadmap?, is this blog updated or dead as expected?
I don’t have any hot news , maybe Jolla has, please share some with ur mainstream users otherwise its gonna be a boring peace of text to read all over again.
Complain directly at Jolla, don’t come wining here, useless .
Ok On topic , what is the news from Jolla regarding updates , new features or improvement on SFOS 3 in general?
(Right now, in an alternative universe)
Jolla Blog: Hi Sailors! Some good news to make up for the recent radio silence.
The reason that you havent heard from us recently is not because we were out racing each other in our fancy yatchs using non-refunded Jolla Tablet money, oh no, its because all Team Jolla were out in China for a top secret meeting that we can only now inform you about! 😀
We are super excited to be able to tell all of you that we have just signed off an agreement with Huawei making us their new offical software supplier thereby replacing SPYdroid! Hurrah! Thats means about 20 Million new sailors in the coming year! 😀
This deal also means SFOS will have a bigger team behind it and will be able to develop faster than ever before as the Chinese were super impressed with SFOS and decided to cancel their own OS and invest in Jolla instead.
Overnight we will go from 108 SFOS users to potentially millions! 😀
This also means we will FINALLY be able to refund those tablet buyers…yaaaaay! 😀
1 word of reply “SUPER”
Excellent. Now we have more new hardwares and more access to the software worldwide
“… to refund those tablet buyers …”
Well, all the buyers have received their refunds long ago.
Sorry, but that is not the case. Like many, many people I just received half the money years ago, then Jolla said “the rest will come when we made some profit”. Since then, there was no payment, no message, no blogpost, no communication whatsoever. I’m happy if Sailfish and Jolla are doing good and I’m happy for all the joy you die hard fans pull from all this. But me, and a lot of other people, have been screwed over concerning the tablet desaster and we are still waiting for Jolla to right their wrong. And I think all you “fanboys” should come to terms and accept that Jolla screwed this one up and still keeps screwing it up. It happens. I will survive. But all of you people in some kind of dementia and denial state of mind grind my gears…
Are you mad ?
I am still waiting for the second half, and so are most of all the tablet backers.
you are so funny spreading this fake news
(in another universe)
Braap Braap and aQUICK switched to android, adjusted their investment strategy and found peace.
tbh, if Huawei launch their own OS you wont see me much here as its likely i’ll be done with SF (unless Jolla get in there somehow)but I’m sure you’ll cope without me right?
Anyhoo, you been away finding out what those “resources” where you were so keen to point out previously? 😀
positive.
> (Right now, in an alternative universe)
> Thats means about 20 Million new sailors in the coming year!
> Overnight we will go from 108 SFOS users to potentially millions!
I think the USS Enterprise’s teleporter are buggy again and sent me closer to this alternative universe:
https://www.osnews.com/story/130537/huawei-in-talks-to-install-the-russian-operating-system-aurora-on-360000-tablets/
Though it’s not Jolla collaborating directly with Sailfish OS for Huawei, it’s Rostelecom “Aurora OS” localization/customization of SFOS.
Still, this is going to help increase the presence of the platform and might help increase the number of native apps, long-term.
Yep! its nice to get some air,Lineage is offcourse also android but with MicroG its working fine.
Miss SFOS but cant depend on it to work flawless and work like other OS, maybe it will change in the future and them I am sure to switch back!
Today I started to use the Sailfish license for my new XA2. Unlocking bootloader did not succeed with homebrew and my MacBook. And the Sailfish download does not give a zip file at all. It is a Windows program. Who can help? Is there another way to unlock and to flash? I have an XA2 dual sim and a MacBook.
Hi
cant comment on doing it via Mac but I know it took me several attempts through the standard install and pretty sure they missed a step somewhere in the install guide
https://jolla.com/sailfishxinstall/
try logging a call with the support desk? (although have previously found their help hit & miss)
Thanks for reacting. My MacBook is quite sustainable so a Linux computer is not in the planning. The download of the Sailfish license in a Windows file, not a zip file. The directory was not right with X and now it also does not work. It is very frustrating, because I really like Sailfish and I want to be loyal. A flashing service is needed, otherwise this will be a toy for geeks only.
what?
the download is a .ZIP file named currently something similar like ‘Sailfish_OS-Jolla-3.0.3.10-h4413-0.0.7.6.zip’ (depends on which phone you have a license for. Mine is a Xperia XA2 ultra)
If you’re getting a Windows .EXE, something is deeply wrong.
As long as you manage to have a working “fastboot” executable on you Mac Book, the flash procedure should be somewhat similar to Linux… (if you pay attention to the content of flash.sh, the Jolla devs have even put a couple of specific fixes for Mac OS X)
But please note that this blog isn’t the best place for installation tips.
If you need to reach community:
– together.jolla.com
– talk.maemo.com
If you need to reach official Jolla Devs (and have the paying license with support included):
– jolla.zendesk.com
Best for you would be to find a community member with experience nearby you.
Don’t even know where to start in together.jolla. Too many problems. I have an Android map with adb and fastboot in Applications on my Mac, but adb in terminal does work, while fastboot doesn’t. Get ‘no commando’ all the time after typing ./fastboot. I remember vaguely from unlocking the X that I had to type something special before each commando on a Mac, but I don’t know anymore what that was.
Then the Sailfish directory for MacOS. On my Mac it says: Microsoft not supported.
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> ./fastboot
“./” means “in the current directory”.
You need to either have fastboot in your search path and type nothing in front (“fastboot”), or type the path to where you installed fastboot (“/some/long/path/goes/here/fastboot”).
Anyway, “flash.sh” is the command you need to run. So, from wihtin the place where you’ve uinpacked the ZIP file : “./flash.sh”
Seems to me you aren’t very fluent in the shell of your own mac. (Nothing wrong with that, I’m not saying this to be judgmental, just that you might not have the technical skills required to do low-level stuff like reflashing your phone) I would strongly suggest that you find some community member leaving nearby that could help you around. Or even somebody who is more into Mac OS X low-level stuff.
Again this is just a blog post’s comment section, not the best place to ask for help.
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Also, fastboot.exe is a Windows program, it won’t work on your mac.
You need to find the proper fastboot for Mac OS X and install it separately.
Well, fastboot.exe is from the directory of Sailfish for MacOS. Jolla has put it there.
I never pretended to be tech savvy, as it was not my study subject. I just try and I am not the only one who happen to have problems with unlocking (and flashing). I unlocked the bootloader of the X after searching the net, where everyone seems to have a different directory. Now it won’t work.
When opening fastboot.exe (from the Sailfish file), a pop up appears: ‘The program cannot be opened, because Microsoft Windows-programs are not supported by macOS’.
“otherwise this will be a toy for geeks only” and there in lies the problem
even after all this time SFOS is far from being accessible or anywhere near mainstream which sucks for those of us that simply like the SF interface and wish to stay google/iOS free
it’s not true @ossi1967
Hey dear sailors,last update is 2 months away, with a former cycle of 4 weeks. Did Jolla change its strategy? And switched to less, but more important updates? Or when will we see the 3.1 update? Also there is no news anymore on the consideration or try for the update of the base layer to Android 6 or 7
As noted before , the communication or roadmap for and with the mainstream users/devs is still buggy as SFOS 3, already been for longer periods of time.
I don’t want to be all negative about the progress Jolla made but please be realistic its ridiculous.
I remember last year the gap between updates was extended at this time of year. Summertime and Sailors making the most of the summer taking their holidays. Perhaps the same has happened this year?
Jarno from The Netherlands made an instruction for me and now I have SailfishOS on my XA2 ! Finally!
After several failures I used another browser then Safari (UR, a Chromium one) and that gave me the right files.
With unlocking I also made use of ‘How to Android’, a video on Youtube.
Welcome sailor!
Hopefully u can enjoy a less bugfree SFOS now and in the near future!
Greetings from the Netherlands
Hi,
with Sony Xperia XA2 it´s possible to make slow motion movies in Android (Steady shot). Is it possible to make slow Motion movies mit Sailfish OS, too?
sorry, “Steady shot” and “slow Motion movies” are different things.
https://together.jolla.com
Is NFC not available for Sailfish X device, only XA2? How so?
Please, don’t forget you owe us money.. You can be absolutely sure there will be people like me who will never forget
#tabletrefunds